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. i think this is going to take a long time perhaps in areas no longer under government control where local councils are functioning and providing services, that might be the place to begin to think about how to encourage broader cooperation across sect. as far as i can tell, the local councils are very much homogeneous and reflective of the moasic and fragmented geography. i think what will be essential is the local councils attract cross ethnic composition so you get a in place the beginnings of government structures that are inclusive. >> that would be an example for other councils to follow and that perhaps -- >> i think you can start at the grassroots. i do not want to underestimate how difficult this is. the situation is extraordinarily difficult. we have not talked about the catastrophe that has unfolded. it is maybe a way to think about it going forward. >> i think the point about the local councils as something to discuss here. it is not something often talked about. what has happened in syria, it has more often to this local structures providing governance and organizing tra
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